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Predict who is going to win the next console wars
May 12, 2012
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I know it’s really early, but based on past history and the little bits of info we know thus far, which company do you believe will win the next generation console wars?

May 12, 2012
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With the exception of the SNES and the Wii, I have once again ceased being a console gamer for the forseeable future.

 

I will not give Nintendo money to do their WackyCreativityAdventures.  I’ll come back IF they can deliver the content I want.  (2D Mario, A Zelda that is about the Action/Adventure rather than the Puzzle/Narrative, and a Metroid Without Samus’ Maternal Instincts.

 

And I cannot support the direction that the other two are going in.  With few exceptions there is nothing I want on either console.

 

Much like the early death of the SNES I question the early killing of the Wii, 360, and PS3.  Where are the customers in all of this?  The average customer could give two shits less about 3D and Graphical processing power.  They just want good games, period.  What exactly is wrong with the PS3?  This is a system that even Mark Rein of Epic famously said “With the PS3, potential is really only limited by how much money you have.”

 

And are they telling me that they could not do another DKC or 2D Mario or Starfox or PIKMIN without a hardware upgrade?  I’ve been through this song-and dance before sp they can save it!  Smash Bros. started as a SNES concept….so yeah.

 

There is a HUGE library on the Wii, and I have only cracked the surface.  So unless something changes I guess I will see a new ssystem in another 15 years lol!

 

So who wins?  Nobody.  Least of all me.  

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May 14, 2012
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Not really sure im gonna continue on to the coming generation of videogame consoles.. As hinted to above, i dont like or aprove of the direction they are going. With this obsession about locking games to an account, killing off the used games market for that generation, constricting ever more what the license you pay for actually delivers. Even today, these companies are telling you what you can or can not do with hardware you have paid for and own. Modify your ps3, and PSN is forever unaccessable to you, denied game updates, bug fixes and what not. EULA’s growing ever more fanatic. 

 

Profithunger is killing off creative music, film and now also videogames.

 

But im not too sad…… Sure, i wont be seeing GTA 6 or other franchises ive actually supported, but there are literally 100’s of 1000’s of games for other systems out there to still discover and play.

 

Sony and Microsoft is gonna be the bane of videogaming as we know it. Collectors will no longer be able to collect and display new games, games they have spent a lot of money on, fattening the CEO’s pockets in the process. And they thank us by locking games, or even not releasing a physical copy to begin with. Not allowing a parent his or her own account, while letting their children have theirs. Just look at Diablo 3, you cant even PLAY it, without an active internet connection, in SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN…

 

Im bitter about the gaming future, but like i said, there is still the past to explore. 

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May 14, 2012
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You two make some great points. I don’t where the video industry is headed, but things don’t look good right now. I hear the next X-box will not let you play used games unless you pay a used game fee, and I heard Sony might do the same thing.

Nintendo has established they will not restrict used games. If they hold true to that, they will truly have a leg up on the competition. I just feel if Nintendo can get serious 3rd party support for this new system, its hardware is notably more powerful than the PS3, and they do the online thing correctly, they can dominate the home console market once again.

Mongunzoo said

Much like the early death of the SNES I question the early killing of the Wii, 360, and PS3

Well this generation’s systems have been supported longer than any in the past. I wouldn’t call it an early killing. I know many of us wish that support would be maintained for our favorite systems forever, but time pushes on. There’s nothing wrong with the current systems. They have their good points.

However as technology progresses, people clamor for the next generation. The video game industry is no different.

May 15, 2012
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I agree somewhat with Masamune, i dont think 6+ years is an early “kill”. If you look back, about 5 years is the standard regular support for a system thats healthy. The snes i believe was not left unsupported by nintendo “early” no matter how you see it, it was supported by nintendo themselves for at least 8 years.

 

As for this generation’s systems being supported longer than any in the past, i disagree. I dont remember when the Xbox 360 was released but i believe in 2004 or 2005, and that is “only” 7 or 8 years this year. That has been fairly common in the past. As for the longest supported system, that im aware of, thats still 6 years shy of Neo Geo which enjoyed 14 years of first party support! 

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May 15, 2012
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grimm said
As for this generation’s systems being supported longer than any in the past, i disagree. I dont remember when the Xbox 360 was released but i believe in 2004 or 2005, and that is “only” 7 or 8 years this year. That has been fairly common in the past. As for the longest supported system, that im aware of, thats still 6 years shy of Neo Geo which enjoyed 14 years of first party support! 

I stand corrected then. That’s amazing SNK stood by the NEO-GEO that long. I had a NEO-GEO AES system when I was in high school. Loved it, but eventually traded it because the games constantly re-started themselves during the middle of a game and because the games were just so expensive. I could never figure out how to clean that gigantic cart slot!

May 15, 2012
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An AES in highschool? Were you a pimp or a drugdealer? I could never afford such a system at that age. I got mine in 2003, and i STILL only have about 20 games for it. 10 AES (mostly cheap titles) and 10 MVS + converter. Neo is great for short bursts of arcade action, but it is just too expensive for me.. It is however the most aestetically pleasing system out there to me.. Nothing else comes close.

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grimm said
An AES in highschool? Were you a pimp or a drugdealer? I could never afford such a system at that age. I got mine in 2003, and i STILL only have about 20 games for it. 10 AES (mostly cheap titles) and 10 MVS + converter. Neo is great for short bursts of arcade action, but it is just too expensive for me.. It is however the most aestetically pleasing system out there to me.. Nothing else comes close.

LoL, neither. I brought it from a small time gaming shop in my town. It was used and cost $200 and came with one controller, all hookups except an AC adapter and two games: Fatal Fury, Samurai Shodown, both complete. I brought a new AC adapter from SNK and had a great time with it.

I saved my allowance for a few months for that one!

May 15, 2012
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200 bucks back when i was 16-18 wouldve taken me more than a few months of allowances from my mom. Not that it was even possible to find a used AES in Sweden back then, at any price. No one bought one new and the local stores didnt import them. I remember ONE gaming store in town which actually had an AES in the store, coincidently they went bust, or at least the branch in my town did. 

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May 16, 2012
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My point wasnt so much about console lifespan.  It was about who determines it. 

The customers should determine when a hardware upgrade occurs, not developers who are bored with current tech. 

I have not spoken to one Wii owner who feels the need to upgrade.  Not.  One.  They want more Wii content.

What I was trying to say was that given the support and content you would be shocked at how much mileage Nintendo could get out of that little system.  NSMB Wii 2. DKC Returns. 2 Pikmin 3.  Starfox Wii. 

The SNES had a similar fate.  Let us be honest for a moment.  The Super Nintnendo only really got about 3-4 heavy years of Nitntendo support.  If you do not believe this then read SUPER PLAY or Nintendo Power and you will see that by late 94 the focus was ALREADY shifting to the “Ultra64”.  Miaymoto is on record as saying that the SNES was too much like the NES, thus it was starting to seem redundant to them.

That is why I have been so hesitant to invest in Nintendo after the SNES.  No matter how popular a system is, and no matter how tapped its potential is it does not matter because every time the Nintendo developers get a creative itch they will self-destruct their current console.  

As for the xbox360 and PS3, I will say again WHAT EXACTLY IS WRONG WITH THEM?  MArk Rein of Epic said that the limit is not technical limits it is money spent.  How much money do you wanna blow?

To me, it sounds like gaming does not need a hardware jump.  If anything we need to get the hardware back into the profitablility range.  This was the purpose of the Wii.

  Just look at a title like Xenoblade.  It almost feels like it came out of some alternate demension where instead of focusing on expensive HD development kits and Graphical processing they took that money and spent it on art assets, gameplay, and immersive content.

If we could take a page form xenoblade and just make a game without focusing on the things that really do not matter to the mass market, maybe I could finally stop reading reports about how game profits are ONCE AGAIN down 30 percent from last year.  Maybe I could stop having to defend this hobby to co-workers who make fun of gaming and compare it to the anime industry.

 

Maybe gaming could get out of the niche its been in since the mid-90s and become culturally relevant again. 

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May 16, 2012
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Hum, a system is still supported even if the support has lessened.

 

Nothing is “wrong” with the PS3 or Xbox360, and initually at least Sony stated they werent planning to replace it within a 10 year period. This seems to be out the window now with rumours starting to be more substantial about the ps4.

 

I dont know what you mean by hardware back into profitability. When it comes to play-devices, be it a VCR, DV-player, consoles etc, the manufacturer has almost never made a profit on the actual hardware, few even break even. Its the licenses that makes them money, its the entire business model. Sell a system at a loss and get the profit from the media for that system. Its been the established business model for decades.

 

As for videogaming making 30% losses each year thats bullshit. Dont confuse losses with less than expected profit, which is usually how companies describes a “loss”. Volvo did that to justify laying off 7000 people in sweden in 2008-2009, they were as a company still making profits, enough to give shareholders 2,4 billion SEK ($1 was around 7sek at the time, you do the math). Videogaming as a business is quite healthy, and its certainly not a niche anymore, with all the party games and more and more people playing some kind of videogame, be it a ps3 or on a mobile phone. Just look at Angry Birds or Minecraft! 

 

Videogames are big business, but the problem as i see it, are everyone is trying to make that high budget AAA game, and not just focusing on making a GREAT GAME. It has to be expensive, it has to be extravagant like a film, or it doesnt get made. Profits are again the bane of diversity in the modern game industry, were new inovative gameplay more often than not gets a bad review, being compared to CoD or crap like that, even if its not even the same genre.

 

But i agree with you on one thing, the player/gamer should determine a lifespan of a system, which some of us do, making homebrews etc for our favourite consoles. But also keep one thing in mind, planned aging of products is just as real in videogame consoles as they are in lightbulbs, and dont kid yourself believing your PS3 or XBOX360 will last you 20 years of hard use, like the old ones did. Hell, they even go so far as putting microchips in your printer, telling it to stop working after so and so many pages printed. Get a pirate driver for it, and oops, its working great again! (Yes, this is real) 

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I also wanted to reply to some of Mongunzoo’s comments.

Firstly, I agree game companies should listen more to what gamers want. It’s crucial to business to give the customer what they want. However, I feel it is the creator’s right to say when it’s over. No one else.

Secondly, no you won’t hear a lot of Wii owners looking for an upgrade. That’s because many people feel the Wii didn’t live up to its full potential (including me). It could have been so much better than it is. Perhaps Nintendo feels the need to get out a new console before their competitors, or maybe they believe they have made sooo many mistakes with the Wii, they want to start on a clean slate. I dunno.

Thirdly, there nothing majorly wrong with any of the current systems (excluding the damn red ring of death! Oh how I loathe you!), but you can’t expect time to stand still. Like it or not progress moves ever forward. Everything gets a short time in the spotlight, then it has to give it up to something else. Nothing wrong with that. It’s how our world works. The Super NES will live on forever in the hearts of gamers all around the world. I’ll get playing time with my favorite system for many years to come! There’s over 700 games I need to play!

Lastly, I don’t really believe video games are a niche anymore. It’s a multibillion dollar industry. People from all walks of life play them. Video games hit the big time!

These are great discussions. Keep ’em coming!

May 17, 2012
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Way to much to post-answer so lets just take it one at a time : )

 

@ Grimm:

 

1.  If there is nothing wrong with current hardware for the HD Twins then WHY do we need a new console?  The developers have hit no tech wall, and it costs too much money to even come close to hitting it.  So we have reached a consensus, then?

 

2.  About not understanding the point on hardware profitability, I will break this down into two points. 

The first is that I believe that Games are getting too expensive to make.  Development costs have soared more in the last two console generations than in the rest of gamings history combined.  Yes, you can make the argument that a system sells at a loss and makes it’s money on software.  A legitimate and proven strategy in venues such as movies.  It only becomes a problem when your customer base is shrinking or stagnant to the point where there are not enough customers to make a profit with the software anymore.  We are not there yet but eventually gaming CAN hit a wall where the majority says enough.  Also Nintendo has made a corporate philosophy on doing the exact opposite with their systems.  EVERY Nintendo console has sold at a profit with the exception of the VB (because it bombed) and the 3DS (because it is filled with tech that frives up the cost yet the market does not currently value).  The Genesis and the playstation also sold at a profit.  With sony it was not until the Playstation 2 and the bundled DVD player that systems began to be sold at a loss.  So it doesnt have to be this way.

The second point I want to make is about how technology is limiting the GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE we can deliver.  Ever wonder why they never remade FF7?  Square says that it is because it would take them ten years to do, and it would cost upward of 100 Million dollars.  That got me thinking about how much the cost of HD tech has limited gameplay content.  It also explains why FF13 was a tunnel with no content aside from story and battles.  What else could it be with how much development costs anymore?  These two games are a perfect example of how we are getting LESS nowadays despite the industry having MORE to work with.  The finall Cog fell into place with the release of Xenoblade Chronicles.  Seeing that game in action and the masses of content ity contains really makes me wish the game industry had gone in a different direction.

 

3.    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/a…..ring-april

Its not bullshit.  Even after coming up with a thousand reasons in the article for why this could be, the bottom line is it is happening.  And this is month after month, year after year.  The only spkes anymore are when COD comes out or its holiday time.  A healthy industry doesnt have this problem month to month and yeaer to year.  Also, notice at the bottom there is a link to a story about how even Gamestop is losing money this quarter.

Another thing.  You stated that when a business doesnt make as much money as expected then they call it a loss?  THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS A LOSS!  Being in business take my word for it that those projections are taken as gospel.  You have to make those projections because that is what the investors who INVESTED in your company are expecting.  The company uses those projections to plan how they spend money throughout the fiscal year.  That means that if They plan on making 30 million dollars they might spend 7 million to get there.  SO if they only make 18 million dollars then there is a huge problem for investors.  I am not surprised those layoffs happened in the least if the volvo story you told is accurate.

As for gming being Mainstream, dont worry I’ll get to that : ).  But for now let us discuss your point on Angry Birds.  I would question Whether ANgry Birds is a game so much as a merchandising concept.  Even the creators have said that they are more intersted in merchandise like T-SHirts and Plushies, and that the game was just a way to get there.  Lots of people play cell phone games because lots of people have Cell-Phones .  Lots of people watch movies because EVERYONE has a DVD player.  Console gaming does not have near the market penetration of the two and is entirely separate.

But again i’m getting there : )

 

One thing we do agree on is that every game should not have to be a tripleA movie or overly extravagant.  I hear you on that.

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@ Masamune

 

If technology moves ever onwards then then the Wii should have been steamrolled.  The Genesis and the SNES should have been steamrolled.  The NES should have been steamrolled.  The PS2 should have been steamrolled.  All of these went up against technologically superior systems and prevailed.  The very story of console gaming is prevaling over the much more technologically superior PC hardware. 

 

The thing that technologists do not understand is that there is such a thing as “good enough” for the mass market.  I do not need a T1 internet connection because low-end wireless high speed is good enough.  I do not need a 4G because my blackberry is good enough. 

 

As for the game Industry Finally being big-time and finally beng a multi-billion dollar industry WHEN WAS IT NOT A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY?  Dating back to the arcades gaming was always making this kinds of money.  In fact at one time gaming was considered a threat to other entertainment and was grossing more than sports, hollywood, and music COMBINED.  Now gaming is treated as a joke or even as commercial tie-ins fore their products.

 

Ask yourself a few questions.

If gaming is so mainstream, why is Pac-MAn STILL the highest grossing game ever?

If gaming is so mainstream, why can most americans not name any gaming icons aside from sonic, Mario and Arcade games?

If gaming is so mainstream, why do numbers show that the only demographic it regularly grabs is YAMs (Young Adult Males)?

If gaming is so mainstream, why do only six percent of the first-world participate?

If gaming is so mainstream then why does NO ONE outside of nerdcore sites like CNET and IGN talk about gaming? (I hear all the time about new music, new TV shows, new Sports happenings, etc on the news.  Never about video games.  When you do hear about them it is always negative.) 

There are more examples but for now we’ll deal with those.

 

As for Nintendo thinking they made mistakes, I have to wonder what those mistakes could have been.  Growing the market?  Making too much money?If they truly believe that the Wii was a mistake then it is no wonder I am no longer a Nintendo investor.

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May 17, 2012
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Angry Birds is a game which has sold in 10’s if not 100’s of millions of copies, regardless of what the makers says about merchandize.

 

A less than expected gain does NOT EQUAL A LOSS. A loss is a loss when you make LESS than you SPEND. I dont give a shit if investors cry that they dont get ENOUGH PROFIT, it is STILL NOT A LOSS if they dont actually LOSE money instead of just making LESS THAN THEY EXPECTED, however much they may claim the oposite.  If you have three apples and expected to get four from me, but instead i just give you two, have you lost two apples? No, you have not, you have still profited two apples from the deal. It  is simple mathematics. Does a red colour become green to you because people who produce that colour tells you so?   No it does not, it is still green. You really need to wake up if you dont agree to that, this is imperical fact. Im not trying to be rude, just point out what emperical fact is. Companies do not lose money untill they actually spend more than they earn. Downsizing is also not the result of losses, its the result of ever more profit. Its rudimentary capitalism. You simply need to look at it for what it is, and you will see this clearly.

 

As for your figures, where are you getting these? They dont add up either way you look at them. How can a demographic, which doesnt necessarily mean ANYTHING to begin with about young men adults being the only gamers, simply disprove the fact that nearly 50% of women under 50 play games on a regular basis.

 

If american people only know of Mario, Sonic then i wonder why the most profitable games do not include either of these. Also, 30% of americans cant even find USA on a map!  (Yes this IS true, look it up for yourself) So i dont really take that “fact” seriously.. Do not confuse marketing with actual facts. As for 6% of the “first world” as you put it, participate in gaming i want to see the source for that ridiculous number, because that just defies the industy even being alive at all today. No industry in the world would spend this much money on just 6% of developed country’s consumers. 

 

If pacman is the largest profiting game in history (still), then it must be because its a simple and addictive gameplay, just like tetris. Does not change the fact that people spend up to $200 million dollars on a SINGLE GAME. Thousands of games are created each year, and assuming just a handful of those are 100+ projects you have a billion dollar industry right there. 

 

Again, dont take my arguments as being rude, but if you disagree with most of them, you are disagreeing with emperical facts and not just “my opinions”.

 

As for the article you refered to with your 30% loss. It says nowhere in that article that the industry actually lose money. It says it has seen a DECREASE in sales, and later even explains that with less major titles for the same period last year. That is still not a loss, just a decrease in sales. This is not a loss however you twist and bend it. 0+3 is 3. 3-4 is -1. People describe what you talk about as a loss, to justify business decisions people would otherwise never accept.

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Don’t worry about offending anyone, Grimm.  I like that you speak openly here!  That is what we want on this forum.  If anyone gets offended because of what you said in your last post then they need to grow up!  I am enjoying this discussion with you so please do not hold backlaugh

Thats a good thing about angry birds!  It also does jack shit for consoles profits as of this time, which is what we are talking about.  If Angry Birds were to release on consoles that may be a really good thing for gaming.

When I speak of gaming, Know that I am speaking about consoles.  That is the topic.  I know many women who game.  But I know NO women who do their gaming on consoles.  Browser games and Cell Games are the name of the day with this demographic.  Few exceptions are out there like 2D MArio (Women love this game)

Super Mario Bros. is one of THE MOST PROFITABLE FRANCHISES IN GAMER HISTORY!!  Every game sells upwards of 30 million units.  Sonic was once a phenomenon, though that has been eroded because of developers inserting their Creativity Farts into the franchise, which leads to things like Guns and WereHogs, which leads to sonic no longer being a seller.

As for americans lack of intelligence on things such as this, I would point out that americans are not interested in geography.  Just like they are not interested in console gaming as it stands.  It is up to the product to make itself interesting to the consumer.  Not the other way around.

That 6 percent statistic IS Hard to believe, isnt it?  I also cried bullshit when I first saw it published in an NPD Investors report, but if tyou remember two things then it makes believing easier!

1.  This report is refferring to CONSOLE GAMING.  Not PC gaming.  Not Browser Gaming.  Not Phone Gaming.  Not any combination of the afore-mentioned.  Just CONSOLES.  And JUST SEVENTH GENERATION CONSOLES.  PS2 was not included.

2.  The First World is very large.  So if you do my amatuerish re-evaluation of this study and add up the console sales, then subtract it from the first world population then divide it ALMOST FITS.  I think I got eight percent.  But this was also not Scientific on my part so I have to go with the NPDs study over mine.

   As for the YAMS, it proves that Gaming is not as mass-market and mainstrream as IGN would have us believe.  If it were, then more than just this demographic would participate in it.  That Statistic can be found in Clayton Christensen’s Book Achieving a Blue-Ocean Strategy, Where he talks about Nintendo and how they GAINED demographic outside the YAMS with the Wii.  ALso note I never said ALL so please do not misinterpret.  I said a majority, and a very large majority are males. 

And I get that it would seem impossible to sustain an industry on just that.  But as you said later thousands of games are produced and they DO sell to this demographic.  Whether this is sustainable with the way they are increasing cost and not increasing customer base is another debate.

As for the LOSS debate, I do not want to spend any more time or energy on it as We have entirely different definitions for it.  I get what you are saying, but the way things ought to be is NOT the way things are. 

If I promise an investor WHO GIVES ME MONEY four apples and I spend his money like I am going to get four apples and I return with three, he is going to be pissed off!  That is called a loss!!

YOUR DEFINITION of a loss is not a loss.  What was it you said, 3-4=-1 is a loss?

I call that OUT OF BUSINESS! 

 This is the difference between the real world and the classroom.  But I’m not going to change your mind so that is all I will say on this matter.  Agree to disagree.  I do reccomend Seth Godin’s books as he touches on this very subject.  

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My definition is the emperical fact, emperical fact only has one definition, thats the whole idea of emperical facts. You are still confusing things, and im done discussing it since i put it very clearly in my previous post. Continue believing economic’s lies if you will, but a loss is a loss first when you actually end up with less than you had when you started. Simple mathematics and empirical fact. That is the real world. Not a profiteer’s greed.

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And All I am trying to say is tell that to the bank!  Tell that to the investor you want to give you money for your product!  See if your definition matches theirs.  And then let me know how that goes…

 

 

……………………………………………………………..How bout that Supaboy? laugh  It’s been real profitable.  Maybe the future of gaming is the past.  It sure looks that way for me. 

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I do tell that to the bank and investors, when our path crosses. If you havent noticed, the capitalist system is a downward spiral, and soon new markets will be nowhere to be found. Cant wait to be honest.

 

I wouldnt mind trying a Supaboy, BUT, im still not convinced it is anything more than an emulator. And im a perfectionist. Besides, i play my games on the TV, so have no justification paying $80ish + shipping for it. But its nice to see people liking older games enough to buy these things, but on the other hand, that drives prices up on the games too. Not good for my economy. 

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I’m bad at predictions, but I think the Wii U can win if Nintendo plays its cards right.  They need to show people and developers the Pro Controller.  The Game Pad may have some really good use, but many people (including myself) would rather have a “normal” controller with no motion detection/touchscreen/etc.  Nintendo said in a recent Nintendo Direct that Zelda Wii U would be non-linear.  This makes me think of the second halves of Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time, two games that have a legitimate argument of being the best game of all time.  In both, you could do the dungeons in several different orders.  Retro’s secret project (hopefully Metroid) should boost interest in the console, as should Bayonetta 2.  If they can make a Pokemon MMORPG with good online support, they can print money. 

Currently looking for the following SNES games:

Chrono Trigger

EarthBound

Final Fantasy II (Final Fantasy IV)

Secret of Mana

Illusion of Gaia

Super Castlevania IV

Super Mario RPG

Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island

 Zombies Ate My Neighbors

TMNT IV

Contra III

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