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About Assault:  That figures coming from Gamecube Nintendo….

The problem with Nintendo these days is that they want to play around and experiment with all these new gameplay ideas, yet they ALSO want the safety and security of an established IP.

They want to have their cake and eat it, too.  The problem is that it’s all splattering in their face.  The fans of the old games get confused and discouraged, and shoving an established license into a New gameplay idea results in Nintendo robbing themselves of a potential New I.P.

Two Examples:  Kirby Epic yarn was originally Fluff of Yarn.  Would the game have sold as well without Kirby?  We will never know.  but The gameplay is solid for what it does, and if they would have taken the chance they might have birthed a new IP, something they desperately need.

Star Fox Adventures:  Originally Dinosaur Planet, was recycled into Star Fox Adventures.  why not just make Dinosaur Planet, a promising concept?  why would you kill two IPs with one idiotic move?! 

I agree.

Ah, but if only that is what they are doing.  Pokemon and Mario kart are rare examples of Conservatism from this company.  They no longer invent new IPs, AND they no longer Maintain past franchises.

They are trying to shove NEW gameplay skeletons into the old games, and by doing this they are doing neither innovation OR conservative development.

WARNING GAMING SACRILEGE INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the success of Smash Brothers has totally distorted Nintendo. People buy and play Smash Brothers because it is a fun game. From Nintendo’s perspective, people buy and play Smash Brothers because of Nintendo culture. From that moment on, Iwata and others believed they could just experiment with new gameplay and combine it with infinite forms of the established Nintendo characters.

Take the Zelda series. Zelda is now just a new gameplay ‘thing’ like trains and sailboats wrapped in “Zelda culture”.

Kirby is things like ‘Squeak Squads’ and ‘yarn’ Wrapped up in “Kirby Culture”.

Donkey Kong was Bongos and rhythm gameplay wrapped in “DK culture” until RETRO brought it back into sales success with PLATFORMING.

I could go on and on, but until it stops I cannot invest in them anymore as a businessman or a gamer.

It’s a good game, ALMOST as good as DL3.  People say it is too weasy forgetting that Kirby has ALWAYS been Nintendo’s easy platformer.

And for what it’s worth I enjoyed epic yarn.  I t just wasn’t Kirby.  Since at that point they KNEW they were making Return To Dream Land, why not Make Fluff of Yarn and market the hell out of it like they used to do with old IPs.

Nothing Ventured Nothing Gained.  If they don’t believe me they should ask Sony.

Do you guys remember the tech demo of Final Fantasy 3 characters for the Ultra 64?  That got me so hyped.  Imagine my surprise when Square jumped ship to Sony.  That’s really what sold me on Playstation.

Flash forward to today and I couldn’t really care less about Final Fantasy.  At the time though, JRPGs were huge to me.

Ironic, isn’t it, considering that it was Nintendo that severed said agreement.

Honestly Nintendo and SEGA were sewing their destruction even back then.  With them went the last vestige of a connection to old-school gaming.  Keep in mind that SONY never has had an interest in video games.  Sony’s angle at the time (and still is) was to disrupt Microsoft  (Which is why Microsoft entered the console market.)

It had a brief resurgence with the DS and the Wii, but now it looks as if Nintendo is intent on going back to the N64 philosophy. 

I point out that Wii was specifically designed to be a disruptive product to combat the macro-economic trends that is sinking the rest of gaming.(Less expensive, simpler design, NES and SNES philosophy present in hit games, the list goes on.)  Nintendo and the Wii began the generation with a Blue Ocean Strategy, even the business professors that invented these principals cite it for it’s disruptive nature.  This is indisputable.

What happened is that after 2009 the Wii returned to a N64 philosophy with disastrous results.  In this way it is a strange hybrid, and as a result the Wii will be remembered as you stated-A gimmick with unfulfilled potential.

The 3DS and WiiU has been a return to this N64 Philosophy, following the later years of the WiiU into the oblivion of the games industry.

It is going to be disastrous for them, and for the industry as a whole.

As For SEGA I am not as familiar but I remember SEGA of Japan going off the rails for add-on tech as early as the Genesis, and then jumping feet-first into the quagmire that was the Saturn.  At this point It would have taken a Wii sales miracle to save it which did not happen.  Then SEGA did what NINTENDO started doing….They got Weird (Werehogs WTF!?!)

Thank you.  I know Tom did a fantastic job during his tenure, and had no idea of the tension.

I am discovering in my research for 1991 how precarious the SNES was.  All in all it was a pretty disastrous year for Nintendo, and I am not seeing it get better until Donkey Kong Country.  there was a lot of pushback against the Genesis and SNES at first by consumers who saw it as unnecessary, and to my shock it was sonic NOT Mario that sold the public on 16-bit most effectively.

Amazing stuff….

I’ll do that. : )

I plan on putting the proper context on this series of articles.  So often nowadays the SNES is spoken of as having a sweep victory, when it was actually a hard-fought battle that resulted in the greatest amount of quality content the game industry has ever produced.

It was all a by-product of competition, something even the most over-zealous fanboy should not forget!

Regardless of your chosen 16-bit system you have the other side to thank for the quality!