Sony E3 Preview: And the New Face of Sony E3 is...NECKBEARD!!|General Gaming Discussion|Forum|SNES HUB

I dont see whats wrong with the guy. So he has a beard. Real men has beards. If you are insulted or get laugh attacks by bearded guys, you have issues.

Mungomunzoo, again you have very fatal flaws in your reasoning..

Attractivness means EVERYTHING to marketing people. So yeah, if your “neckbeard” (first time i ever heard that word actually) isnt representative for your average person, who you say you would like to see in advertisement, your other option IS “attractive” people. You have defended capitalist ideals in several threads so far, and are very inconsistant about how you do it. I dont understand your reasonings at all.

Believe it or not, that guy is more representative to gamers and regular people gaming, than a family of 3 generations (who are always “good looking people” mind you!) playing games together like Nintendo thinks happen. This guy looks more “everyday people” than most people i see in advertising, except he is still looking thin. Even here in sweden people are getting more heavy by the year. Im not skinny myself, i have a balding head (at soon 34), and what you call a “neckbeard”, and ive been playing games as a serious hobby for over 25 years now. I dont really look anything like the guy in the advertisement however, so im not personally offended by your comments or sony’s choice. Just thought id mention that in case you were thinking that. I actually aprove of him, rather than having a smooth shaven babyface like every other commersial. Women are starting to finally understand they dont need to shave their private parts or armpits to be feminin or attractive, men need to understand they dont have to have a smooth baby butt face. Actually, GTA4 makes fun of that in a great way! ha!

What it comes down to is you need to decide what you want here. Either you want conventional advertisement with these “pretty people” (ugh!) we are bombarded with, which no one actually resembles, or the “scruffy” neckbeard you see on a weekly basis, if not daily, when you step outside. Real people look more like this guy than the regular advertisement portrays. Hell, try sitting on a bench in your local park and just look at people passing by, or pay attention on your next visit to the grocery store. Do they look like people in commersials? Unless you live where superficiality and plastic surgery blooms i would dare to bet they do not, not even close. People in general are not attractive (by advertisement standards) nor are they unattractive, they simply look ordinary, like the guy in the “neckbeard”. 

That being said, i dont really care for advertisement, i never have, it has never made me want to purchase anything, in fact, items i might have been interested in might well have lost a purchase BECAUSE of the advertisement they choose. So the only real affect it has on me so far, has been negative. Some have made me chuckle, but never sealed a purchase. Yes, im different, i dont fit into the “advertisement works” category. I despise it, i loath it, i long back for the days of the 80’s when advertisement was forbidden on swedish television. There is no need to push your items into someone’s lap. If they want it, they will buy it. You dont need to oversell everything and create this overproduction crisis we are having world wide now. No one can afford to buy all this crap people are making expecting us to buy. And that includes the games we love to play!

Im gonna back out of this discussion based souly on the fact that you swallow this system whole without even a consideration that it can be CHANGED.

Do you know what communism is? Or do you only think of Gulag when you hear that word?

Communism IS a valid replacement, as a first step would be socialism. Capitalism is a downward spiral, you create a market, that market gets fed, untill no one can buy any longer. You then invade a country under pretences of “democracy”, destroy it in the process, rebuild it with mainly foreign companies (to that country), taking the profit out of the country. Then you create a new market controlled by those companies, suck that market dry. Rince and repeat. Soon you will run out of markets AND profit.

Why wait for this, when we can instead try to save what little of the earth there is still left to save. The earth is all but destroyed because of “business”. Business is making profit. Making profit out of other people’s labour. That IS heartless, soulless and evil. Why should i, a working class male, slave away for someone making 100’s times more a month than i do (and thats just in the west) simply because he owns the production means? It is _i_ who create the value, and profit he reeps.

You say you have been in the investment business. You should know damn well what im talking about here. This goes back to our discussion on what loss ACTUALLY is…

I live in a capitalist system too, and ive seperated myself from it just fine. I am NOT a slave to consumerism, albeit i do consume. I can live with less things, if that means less resources scavanged from the earth etc.. I dont think “me, me, me” when i hear of the newest apple phone. and i didnt cry when that guy died, nor did i celebrate him as some sort of god. he was just a guy, intelligent as he was, who knew how to sucker people into giving him his money over shoddy technology build by slave labour in china, where you work 16h a day, sleep at work, and are now required to sign a contract that you wont kill yourself.

Capitalism is all of the above and more. And before you even go there, competition and profit does NOT encourage development and consumer choice. Look at Microsoft. They practically domnate the OS market for PC. And is their OS the best? You think about that for a while, while i give you the next example. Electric cars were the first production cars, they were also the fastest cars. They still are the fastest cars. But do the “business industry” invest in further developing that? With logistics, infrastructure etc supporting electric cars for the common person? They do not. Why do they not? Oil is more profitable. Oil barons of the late 1800’s and early 1900’s even used threats and extortion to keep the electric car from the market. Despite it being cheaper, cleaner and more efficiant. This is just two of MANY examples, that you must be aware of knowing that you have been an investor etc.

This is all part of the marketing and advertisement you brought up initially. The bearded guy may be the average person, but he is not what the marketing people want to portray. They play on most people’s superficiality, their low self esteems, telling them “look at these pretty people, how much fun they have with our stuff, you can be this beautiful too, and have this much fun too, if only you consume our products!”. It is absolutely disgusting.

I want to make it clear that this is in no way ment to insult or upset you, or lessen you in any way. I am simply being blunt about my opinions and experience in what capitalism is. i turn 34 years this year, and ive been graciously allowed to work 2,5 years of the 16 ive been of working age. I have 6 professional titles including Roofer, Forklift operator, CNC operator and Crane operator. None of these are any good to me, simply beause i cant work 100% under any condition the employer dictates.  Partially do to medical reasons, which also restricts me to the industrial sector, but also due to personal reasons. If you cant work 100% in an industry using 100%, you arnt good enough to employ at all. Earlier this year i actually found an employer in the industry of painting metal parts for rust proofing etc, for the paper machine industry, who were one of the rare apples that will actually look to his employees, and see what they have to offer, not what he can get from them. He arranged for me to do internship 2 months initially, and after that we would talk about employment, meeting MY conditions for being able to work there, not HIS conditions. Unfortunatly, he is a sub-supplier to a big manufacturer of paper making machines in the area, and that company told him to expect less business during 2012, and possibly beyond. This put a stop to any chance of him employing me, and he has since let 4 people go, out of perhaps 11 in total. This also, is capitalism. Im “too expensive” to employ.

So yes, there are a few rare companies out there, which does have a heart, but 99% of the companies which need profit to survive, are the complete oposite. 

Also, a quick note to those who read this who thinks they know everything about socialism and communism and why they failed etc.. Reliable polls (look them up on the internet, they are there to be found) asking amongst eastern european countries formerly run under communism, if they want a RETURN to communism after having been under capitalism for a considerable amount of time now. The polls favour a return, and the numbers rise each time they make new polls. In some cases as much as 67% wants a return. Russia did NOT have miles long lines of bread queues under communism. They do now however. North Korea is NOT a police state, it is simply trying to survive a complete blockade of commerse, in a comersialized world. In stark contrast, London is the most survailed/policed city in the world, with 1 cctv camera per every 4th inhabitant if i remember correctly. USA citizens are giving up rights and freedom’s every month over “security concerns” etc. Is that democracy? Cuba is not a dictatorship, they have regular and reaccuring elections just like any other democracy. They are also the victim of a commersial blockade decades old. Communist states fail in the extent they do because they are activly faught, by dirty measures, basically starving them of resources and general goods, because its profit that drives their enemies, not cooperations. One real example of this is planned obsolesence. The first real case were lightbulbs. The first ones burned for a VERY long time. That wasnt good for business, no more than 1000h was acceptable. This was later achieved by re-enginering them to break sooner. In east-berlin there was a company which made bulbs that lasted 10’s of times longer than this. These bulbs are now only found in museums. Another thing to consider is, if profit drives evolution of equiment forward, why did Russia/Soviet beat the US in almost every major development during the 1900’s? Capitalism didnt fight communism for “democracy”, quite the oposite. Capitalism faught communism because of the dictatorship of PROFIT, and MONEY. Communsim is bad for profit, they dont overuse in order to overproduce things that break prematurely. Its bad for business.

You may love business, im not gonna fault you for that in itself, but really, look at what business does IN REALITY. 1% owns 90% of the worlds production means and resources. Using the other 99% as labour, or simply people to steal those resources from. And then dumb the waste back in those countries. You wouldnt believe how many apple devices, nokia phones etc turns up in Africa as landfill, marked as “used electronics”. 

There, you got my response. Do what you will with it. Ive heard it all before, from people with both less and more experience with actual business than you. 

Again, you are free to disagree with anything ive said, but unless you live under a rock, you simply cant deny it.

I have skills yes, i am also very intelligent (averaging 120-125) and ridiculously picky with details and perfectionism, which would be a great asset in some of those fields, especially CNC manufacturing. But the problem is if i cant generate twice my own sallery, i am too expensive to employ, given social insurance and taxes etc a company will have to pay to employ me. Even at 80% state sanctioned pay, to which im entitled, companies are reluctant to even try to employ me. At the same time, the state, right wing government mind you, forces people sick with cancer, or even a recent case of a man who can only move his neck, are being denied sickness insurance and thus forced to work regardless of their handicaps or illnesses, they just have to find “suitable jobs” for their disabilities as it were… Then again the leading party of our government’s motto is “Arbeit macht frei”, LITERALLY, and i am not kidding about that…

However, you missed my point completely.. The main point wasnt making better produce for the consumer, the point was making LESS produce.. People are not “consumers”, they are PEOPLE. Capitalism is in “decline” because its an integral part of that economical system. Capitalism is IMPOSSIBLE to sustain indefinetly. Simple studies in economics would show this to any person with half a brain, if people only actually studied it, and didnt just read it.

The earths climate and resources are not invulnerable or endless. We cant maintain the livestyle pioneered by US, and quickly adapted by Europe and now even greater China etc. We NEED to level off and have a lower life standard in the west, whilst providing a higher one to the east and africa. Its time people learned to share and not hoard and throw away things they no longer “need”. This is where “business” is the evil part. You portray it fairly well by saying things like “what the consumer wants” etc.. Its not a question of what the consumer wants. its a question of what you, the businessman can fool a person to think he actually needs. Japan is great at this. Owning technology older than a few years is deamed shameful, and if you have a mobile phone older than a year people will mock and scorn you. Hell, they do that in sweden!

This cant go on, and it WILL go on under capitalism, untill the ocean’s temperature has risen enough from our exploitation to no longer be able to sustain plancton. After that its just a matter of time before the earth’s temperature has risen enough to no longer sustain _US_, the humans. Reliable scientist sources claim that at the current rate of pollution and exploitation of the natures resources in 70 years, 70% of the planets inhabitable and fertil land will be destroyed, with an average of 6 degrees celcius higher than today. Still, business goes on like before, with no sign of stopping rather accellerating to make as much money as possible before things go kaputt. 

Dont fool yourself in thinking our so called global economic crisis has anything to do with lack of money etc. We could easily sustain the worlds population on an equal basis with the money that truly exist, and not just speculative values, from the worlds richest people. But no, they are too evil, yes evil, to share. I dont wish death on anyone, not even the people i dislike the most, but i didnt feel the least bit sad when Jobs died. I felt one less capitalist opressor, which will soon be replaced by another. And he was. I am not preaching communism to anyone, mainly because people are disinformed about what it actually is, and I think people have the right to follow whichever ideology they wish, if any, but they should also realize that putting their own monitary gain infront of other peoples wellbeing is nothing short of evil. it is pathetic and completely unecessary that rich brats around the world buys expensive champagne, has one glass then pours the rest in the sink to flaunt their wealth, whilst african babies die with swollen stomachs due to malnutrition and starvation. This is EVIL.

As for the gaming industry, it is a business like any other, and if we look at one of the absolute smash hits of gaming history, its clear that you dont need “capitalism” as a motivation to create great games. You know the game im refering to. As for more conventional AAA games such as GTA series or Halo, you can make those too, its just a question of redistributing the wealth on our planet, and we can still have items that entertain and make life easier without needing an extremely profitable outcome.

One motto of true communism is life is not about working. Life is about living. USA and Europe likes to show how Sovietrussia portrayed its people as great workers etc… Capitalism is what wants you to work work work and keep on working. And for who’s benefit? Certainly not YOURS. As a modern example, the swedish prime minister recently claimed he wants to raise the age of pension/retirement, which is currently 65 years old in sweden (you _can_ certainly retire earlier, CEO’s certainly do! but the state wont fund it), to 75! He claims its because we have an increasingly elderly population and we cant afford to support it. At the same time, young people unemployment levels are record high, especially amongst women of foreign decent at 45%!, and other ministers wants them to work full time jobs, at 50-75% pay, to encourage employment. Is this not evil?

There simply is no way, anyone can ever convince me there is anything positive about a capitalist society, or that it is better or less bad than any other economical system. Its a system which favours the rich on the poor’s expense. I will simply not stand for that. I will fight it till the day i give up my existance alltogether. I will end my rant with another motto, im unsure if its a direct qoute since im translating from swedish, but you will understand it all the same. Its from a known philisopher and socialist, Louis Blanc from France: “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.” There is NO reason to not live by this motto.