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I was thinking about this recently. How would the two systems fare if they came out the same year? Let’s say 1989? I know the NES was still going strong that year, but what would the history books say about these two systems if both came out in 1989?
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Or what if the PC Engine had gotten an early and better exposure to the west.. Here in Europe and North America we tend to disregard this hugely successful and popular japanese system, simply because it didnt do well HERE.. In japan, it was market leading for quite a while even after the super famicom hit the scene, and it was much more popular than the megadrive which did rather poor in comparision, in japan.
In europe, the megadrive reportedly outsold the super nintendo as well, having something like 60% market share.
So these “what if”-s are all relative to your own perspective.
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Exactly. The TG-16 was incredibly sucessful in Japan, thanks to great support from Hudson and an emphaiss on arcade gameplay (LOTS of shooters on this system.) It took the SNES a long time to build momentum gaainst it, and the genesis never did.
In Europe the Genesis did much better than either. Early adoption combined with MUCh better European support (Nintendo gave Europe the shaft in terms of games) did not help the SNES in Europe.
In America the SNES really only caught up with 1994 and the advent of DKC. Up until that moment it was pretty close.
Bottom line is we probably would have gotten a few more 1st party support, and Mario 3 WOULD have DESTROYED Altered Beast as a pack-in.
But Sonic would have still come out, and it DID move Genesis hardware.
I think it still might have been close in America…
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Nice to see you two agree on something. 
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Masamune said
Nice to see you two agree on something.
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Not much to disagree on, i only talk hard cold facts. Sometimes Mongunzoo are open to those, sometimes he is not. As simple as that really. And no im not trying to be arrogant, just explaining. Im done with “our” discussions either way.
What else is interesting is that i believe, can be wrong, the Sega Master System was also most popular and did the best in Europe, compared to other regions. One of the Megadrive’s best games actually only came out for PAL regions (Europe/Australia), Snake Rattle’n Roll Its much better than its NES sibling (as it should be).
Funny how i never had a Sega system untill 2011.
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What else is interesting is that i believe, can be wrong, the Sega Master System was also most popular and did the best in Europe, compared to other regions.
Yes, I do know the Sega Master System did well in Europe. I don’t think Sega advertised it well in America. I can only recall one TV commercial for it. While with the NES I remember many TV ads being on air at the time. Perhaps that’s one of the reasons why it wasn’t popular in the USA.
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In sweden commersials on state/public tv wasnt allowed back then, still isnt, and those were the only channels we had from what i can recall of the early to mid 80’s, so not much difference in ad campaigns in sweden, we didnt get those ads regardless. I knew someone who had a sega master system, and my sis and i got a snes for christmas one year, i believe. Not many of my friends had consoles though, most were into C64, amiga or atari computers. Those were big in europe at the time. Sis and i got a c64 before the snes i think.. also for christmas.
The freedom of non commersial tv ended however when they started broadcasting them from neighbouring countries. But still videogame related ads were unheard of. Its still quite rare from what i gather. I dont watch commersial tv much, just a few docu-channels and film channels. Commersials put me off “regular” tv, i loath when they try and push you into consuming shit you dont need, and having that shoved down my throat every 10-15 minutes just makes watching “regular” tv unbarable… That said, i remember seeing just a few games over the years, in tv ads. Usually while sports are being shown.
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Maybe here in America the NES was so popular, most people didn’t feel a need to take interest in another system, until the Sega Genesis came along with its enhanced graphics compared to the NES.
Still though, I have to wonder about Sega’s ad campaigns for the Master System. It really wasn’t on anybody’s radar in the States.
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Alright so here is what I think about this. If the Super Nintendo and Genesis came out in 1989 in America (I’m not including other countries in this), and Altered Beast was the pack-in for Genesis ( which it was), and Super Mario World was the pack-in for the SNES (which it was), I think the SNES would have pulled away as America’s 16-bit generation winner earlier than it actually did. Here’s 3 reasons why:
1) The NES was ultra popular here. Everyone in the USA knew Mario; a new system offering a souped up Mario World was an instant attraction to a lot of people.
2) Not many people knew very well of Sega in the USA in 1989 (At least not kids), and the Master System really wasn’t popular here.
3) If Sega didn’t have the time to establish their Genesis brand, this would have further stunted their USA user base.
The Genesis certainly was no slouch. Sega had a presence in the arcade market at the time that would be used to gather their userbase, so they would have a niche’ in offering arcade style games for those who wanted that.
Both systems received strong advertising campaigns, both are very good systems, though I believe the SNES would have been the “it” thing for the majority of the active 16 bit generation had it came out the same year as Genesis.
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Given the very narrow premise you have given, SMW is also a much better game than Altered Beast. True, i havent played Altered Beast, but i just think it looks really really boring.. Im not a huge fan of SMW either, but i have played that one, but hasnt come past level 4:4 or something like that.. I get stuck there. And first time i played SMW was this year.
Mario doesnt do it for me, he never did (but yes i did have SMB and SMB3 on the nes), and the Megadrive had more “mature” games on it, and much more arcade games. So depending on how stereotypical you wanna be about the gamer in the late 80’s and early 90’s (being mostly children?) im not sure Nintendo would pull ahead sooner or not.. I think most parents bought their kids a Snes, but i think most young people, or adults, bought the Megadrive. In the USA, according to your premises. I think Nintendo had the “toddlers” and the pre-teens, where Sega had the later teens and adults.. Given money being the issue for most people, most parents would buy their kids Nintendo, for the more kid-friendly/oriented games.
Having said all that, here in Sweden, i was given a nes together with my sister, by our parents. And later purchased a snes for my own money when i was 15ish. I got my first sega console in 2011, a US genesis model 1 (no tmss) which later grew into a sega cd 1 and just last month a 32x as well. So back then, i was a nintendo guy too. In sega dominated europe.
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Not even Super Mario 3 does it for you?? What platformers do you enjoy?
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Im just not that heavy into platformers. I have not finished many of those i have, which arnt many to begin with. SMB3 is alright, its just not something i would rave over. Technically its a great platformer, but im not crazy about the nintendo mascots thats all. Im trying to think of a particular platformer i would prefer but nothing comes to mind.
I do enjoy Earthworm Jim on my genesis, and Vortexman or whatever its called. I want Rayman for my Jaguar. I enjoy some platformers but its not my favourite genre. Of the 16-bit era, im more into fighters and j-rpg’s. Overall, my favourite genre are sandbox type adventure/action games. Like GTA, Saints Row, Just Cause. Stuff like that. Long lasting games that takes commitment to play. Next after that comes RPG’s like Elder Scrolls, Fallout etc.
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