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There are no attacks between Mongunzoo and myself. At least i dont think so, and i dont think he does either. He may not understand my opinions and perspectives, but so far he has understood its all a discussion and nothing else. That said you wont be seeing me do it again, ive been pulled into these far too many times to have the energy for it anymore. As for anger and offense, you read too much into it simply because i use strong words. Look at my tag info and please try to look it up for yourself. I have not the energy to get angry anymore.

Ill just cut back on my input as people always try to read it as something its not.. *sigh*

No Mongunzoo, i will not join you. It is too draining on a personal level with all the shit in my life.

Yay, more smut to justify alienating and stigmatizing people who arnt like you want them to be. yay.

I have no problem with people like her. I have a problem with that publication and that type of article. Its like in sweden, where the prior government spoke of 10% or so cheaters in the governmental insurance agency. They began a long investigation. Regime change happened and the new right wing started speaking of up to 25% cheating. in 2009 or 2010 the investigation was over. 0.001% led to a conviction in court. See what im getting at? People who abuse wellfare systems and social security safety nets are negligable. Anything else is just right wing propaganda to make people who cant think for themselves, let the people who rule get away with robbing the stigmatized groups. Its rampant in EU right now, and sweden is at the top of the class. This truly is the last thing ill say about politics in this forum. I know ive said that before so it prolly doesnt have much credibility anymore, but this time i mean it. The “us against them” mindset is just too ignorant..

Ill respond as a courtesy. I have no problem with people who openly and brazenly do nothing and expect the state to fund them. None what so ever. why? Because they are human beings and an extremely small populace. People who cant or are not allowed to work kill themselves, because they feel inadequate, unwanted, useless etc etc. People want to contribute, people want to help, people want to be part of something greater than themselves. The people you speak of are very few and far between and im ok with them living off of me. I can afford it in a solidarity based system where everyone helps. If there is a shithead who doesnt want to help. Fine by me. He/she is vastly outnumbered by good and honest people. This comes from a person who has not had a decent income from working for 9 years, despite constand re-educational efforts on my own part, trying to find other fields of work. I am one of those people who desperately need state sanctions and help from the economical safety nets. I should be a prime candidate for your reasoning. Yet im not. I live near the bottom, i may even lose my home in the near future because i happen to own my extremely cheap flat, both cheap in purchase and monthly fees. Swedish wellfare system wont allow me to own it, even if it means paying a higher monthly fee to me later, than paying up today. If i get a job i have a small chance of getting if thing go well the coming months, i drop my income in half, because its a parttime job. See, i want to work, even if it means losing half the money i get as being unemployed. I simply want help compensate that loss from a society i help to fund, through taxes. If anyone would be entitled to bitching about people abusing a wellfare system and losing out because of it, thats me. Yet i dont. Im smarter than that. I see through all the bullshit from selfish self-rightious people who simply wants it all for themselves, and demand everyone put in the same amount of effort, for the same return. Which is completely impossible since we are all different and some have disabilities where others are and remain strong enough. To me “to everyone according to their need, by everyone according to their ability” is absolute truth. If i can work 50%, do i not deserve a normal decent living? How about if a person can only work 25%. should that person deserve half my standard of living? That just doesnt make sense. 

The problem i have is with people who share your selfish opinion. Who thinks when they fall on hard time that someone else has to pay for it. WE ALL PAY. TOGETHER. That is the only way you can stop shit like personal greed and corporate greed. If we all share, you wont envy your neighbours new car or tv set or whatever.

i wrote this response to answer your question, and it became longer than i intended, if this doesnt clear up where i stand, or answer your question, i cant help you. Im out of here.